( that's ... that's the nativity, clarisse. but whatever. you can't expect her to know the difference between these things. baptisms and christmas aren't totally on her radar. she knows of them, and some of the year-rounders do little gift exchanges during the holidays, but for the most part they don't really celebrate mortal holidays at camp (she vaguely remembers christmas celebrations from when she was a kid, but it's not something that's ever been, you know, part of her identity or anything). there's the winter solstice every year, of course, but even then it's never really been a big deal like it used to be in ancient times (aside from the council of the gods that demigods are so rarely invited to attend). chiron tried to convince percy that camp should hold a traditional winter solstice feast in poseidon's honor one year and clarisse is pretty sure she's never seen percy run faster for half-blood hill. )
You know, if you can accept weird demons from an alternate dimension you really shouldn't be having such a hard time with this
( but maybe her life by comparison is exponentially weirder than one demon dimension, considering — )
What do you mean why My dad's dad's brother is the king of the Underworld, dumbo Nico pretty much lived there until recently, he's seen the whole place And Percy and Annabeth have been there, too (no they weren't dead) I mean, it's just never been a secret where we're going when we die, just a matter of when
[ Steve was really trying to be funny and witty and it really did not at all land. that, or he's fully missing whatever sarcasm that clarisse is trying to send through these messages. he does know she is talking about Christmas, though, and part of him assumes she's trying to make some kind of joke out of it, but he uh. definitely misses that ]
it wasn't like that was easy to accept those either I mean at a point I didn't have a choice but give me a break here
[ the fight feels like it's over. he's not exactly sure where they landed or what's going to end up happening, if clarisse is going to take the kind of easing out of the conversation as a win? is Steve agreeing to something he doesn't really mean to? he doesn't know if it's worth worrying about.
especially because... yeah. ]
yeah but have YOU been there? like to your actual afterlife place? shit that's
[ but then Steve takes a moment to think about it, and he's struck by a sudden realization that maybe that isn't... a bad thing. ]
what's it like for you guys? your afterlife
[ totally not a pointed reason for him asking about afterlives. definitely normal for him to do. ]
( she has no idea what that means. the only councils she knows of are the council of cloven elders and the council of the gods. demigod brain does not compute mortal concepts of government. or organized religion? whatever. )
I'll give you a break when you stop being an idiot
( but, yeah, for the most part, the argument is over. there's only so many times clarisse can scream the equivalent of you're being a fuckhead, steve before she starts repeating herself, and now doesn't really feel like the time to start beating the dead horse. that, and it's a lot harder to say what she really means (i just want you to be happy, stupid) so she just. doesn't. )
No I haven't been there because I miss all the fun stuff
( and by "fun stuff" she means life-threatening quests and bonus trips to tartarus. not that she'd ever actually want to end up in tartarus. but still. it's always stay at camp, clarisse, protect the camp, clarisse. boring. )
It really depends on who you were in life Your soul is judged when it enters the Underworld and you can end up in one of a few places Heroes like us usually end up in Elysium, which is like our equivalent of Heaven, but really anyone who lived a good life can be sent there It's the paradise of the Underworld The Isles of the Blest are at the center of Elysium, but only those who have been reborn three times and achieved Elysium every time can get there, so most people don't try I don't know how you out-paradise paradise, but I guess getting to live forever on a private island helps The Fields of Asphodel is where most people wind up, and, yeah, it's about as boring as it sounds Literally it's a giant field where souls just wander around aimlessly for all eternity But people who were especially bad end up in the Fields of Punishment where, you know, they're punished for all eternity And then there's Tartarus, but that's mostly reserved for monsters and primordial beings who should never see the light of day again Think of it like the supermax of the Underworld
( she can sort of see where this is going, but — )
I know Silena made it to Elysium, but it's still Hard, without her
( and then, just for a little levity: )
If you want to convert, it's not too late, Steve Just one offering to the gods at every meal for the rest of your life
the solvunn council its the government people here in solvunn when they summoned us we came through a pond thing and they were just standing there isn't that how you got summoned?
[ he's not even going to acknowledge that last bit. he's kind of always being an idiot, anyway, so it's not really something he can address or change.
clarisse says 'fun stuff' and Steve knows enough about clarisse to know what she's getting at. still, he can't quite wrap his head around wanting to go to some kind of afterlife, no matter whatever version or image or place it might be. but even so, Steve can't help but be curious. can't help but lean towards the possibility of knowing what that might look like.
he doesn't necessarily know what he imagined, but a field? punishment? he frowns, but it's not like clarisse can see that. Steve hates this - his first thought, his own real thought, if Eddie would make it to Elysium. if he would-
no. that's not helping anyone. ]
can you go and see her in elysium?
[ even as he asks the question, he knows it's not that simple. knows it couldn't be that simple. but if it's possible, if there is a chance he has to know. ]
( the dawning realization that steve was not talking about indiana when he said farm-baptized... she just assumed they did weird shit in the midwest, okay. )
You meant here It wasn't a pond, it was a pool or something in a cave under one of the military outposts The Prime Minister or someone was there
( anyway, now that that's cleared up... )
I mean, Hades isn't a huge fan of demigods or anyone else taking field trips to the Underworld, so it's not like I can just pop in for a visit whenever I want Haven't you heard of Orpheus? Getting to the Underworld is pretty easy, but getting back out... Usually requires a favor from a god
That's it for you, yeah You're not a demigod, so you're off the hook for quests and shit The rest of it is just ... belief or whatever, I guess Making offerings, praying to your patron god Apollo's here if you want to give it a shot
( ha. a shot. see what she did there. )
I'm kidding btw, Apollo is insufferable And I'm allowed to say that because I'm related to him You strike me as more of a Heracles kind of guy, anyway God of strength and bravery, divine protector of mankind
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Were the wise men there too
( that's ... that's the nativity, clarisse. but whatever. you can't expect her to know the difference between these things. baptisms and christmas aren't totally on her radar. she knows of them, and some of the year-rounders do little gift exchanges during the holidays, but for the most part they don't really celebrate mortal holidays at camp (she vaguely remembers christmas celebrations from when she was a kid, but it's not something that's ever been, you know, part of her identity or anything). there's the winter solstice every year, of course, but even then it's never really been a big deal like it used to be in ancient times (aside from the council of the gods that demigods are so rarely invited to attend). chiron tried to convince percy that camp should hold a traditional winter solstice feast in poseidon's honor one year and clarisse is pretty sure she's never seen percy run faster for half-blood hill. )
You know, if you can accept weird demons from an alternate dimension you really shouldn't be having such a hard time with this
( but maybe her life by comparison is exponentially weirder than one demon dimension, considering — )
What do you mean why
My dad's dad's brother is the king of the Underworld, dumbo
Nico pretty much lived there until recently, he's seen the whole place
And Percy and Annabeth have been there, too (no they weren't dead)
I mean, it's just never been a secret where we're going when we die, just a matter of when
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no
I mean
the council was???
[ Steve was really trying to be funny and witty and it really did not at all land. that, or he's fully missing whatever sarcasm that clarisse is trying to send through these messages. he does know she is talking about Christmas, though, and part of him assumes she's trying to make some kind of joke out of it, but he uh. definitely misses that ]
it wasn't like that was easy to accept those either
I mean at a point I didn't have a choice but
give me a break here
[ the fight feels like it's over. he's not exactly sure where they landed or what's going to end up happening, if clarisse is going to take the kind of easing out of the conversation as a win? is Steve agreeing to something he doesn't really mean to? he doesn't know if it's worth worrying about.
especially because... yeah. ]
yeah but have YOU been there?
like to your actual afterlife place?
shit
that's
[ but then Steve takes a moment to think about it, and he's struck by a sudden realization that maybe that isn't... a bad thing. ]
what's it like for you guys?
your afterlife
[ totally not a pointed reason for him asking about afterlives. definitely normal for him to do. ]
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Of what
( she has no idea what that means. the only councils she knows of are the council of cloven elders and the council of the gods. demigod brain does not compute mortal concepts of government. or organized religion? whatever. )
I'll give you a break when you stop being an idiot
( but, yeah, for the most part, the argument is over. there's only so many times clarisse can scream the equivalent of you're being a fuckhead, steve before she starts repeating herself, and now doesn't really feel like the time to start beating the dead horse. that, and it's a lot harder to say what she really means (i just want you to be happy, stupid) so she just. doesn't. )
No I haven't been there because I miss all the fun stuff
( and by "fun stuff" she means life-threatening quests and bonus trips to tartarus. not that she'd ever actually want to end up in tartarus. but still. it's always stay at camp, clarisse, protect the camp, clarisse. boring. )
It really depends on who you were in life
Your soul is judged when it enters the Underworld and you can end up in one of a few places
Heroes like us usually end up in Elysium, which is like our equivalent of Heaven, but really anyone who lived a good life can be sent there
It's the paradise of the Underworld
The Isles of the Blest are at the center of Elysium, but only those who have been reborn three times and achieved Elysium every time can get there, so most people don't try
I don't know how you out-paradise paradise, but I guess getting to live forever on a private island helps
The Fields of Asphodel is where most people wind up, and, yeah, it's about as boring as it sounds
Literally it's a giant field where souls just wander around aimlessly for all eternity
But people who were especially bad end up in the Fields of Punishment where, you know, they're punished for all eternity
And then there's Tartarus, but that's mostly reserved for monsters and primordial beings who should never see the light of day again
Think of it like the supermax of the Underworld
( she can sort of see where this is going, but — )
I know Silena made it to Elysium, but it's still
Hard, without her
( and then, just for a little levity: )
If you want to convert, it's not too late, Steve
Just one offering to the gods at every meal for the rest of your life
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its the government people here in solvunn
when they summoned us we came through a pond thing and they were just
standing there
isn't that how you got summoned?
[ he's not even going to acknowledge that last bit. he's kind of always being an idiot, anyway, so it's not really something he can address or change.
clarisse says 'fun stuff' and Steve knows enough about clarisse to know what she's getting at. still, he can't quite wrap his head around wanting to go to some kind of afterlife, no matter whatever version or image or place it might be. but even so, Steve can't help but be curious. can't help but lean towards the possibility of knowing what that might look like.
he doesn't necessarily know what he imagined, but a field? punishment? he frowns, but it's not like clarisse can see that. Steve hates this - his first thought, his own real thought, if Eddie would make it to Elysium. if he would-
no. that's not helping anyone. ]
can you go and see her in elysium?
[ even as he asks the question, he knows it's not that simple. knows it couldn't be that simple. but if it's possible, if there is a chance he has to know. ]
dude
is that it?
seriously?
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( the dawning realization that steve was not talking about indiana when he said farm-baptized... she just assumed they did weird shit in the midwest, okay. )
You meant here
It wasn't a pond, it was a pool or something in a cave under one of the military outposts
The Prime Minister or someone was there
( anyway, now that that's cleared up... )
I mean, Hades isn't a huge fan of demigods or anyone else taking field trips to the Underworld, so it's not like I can just pop in for a visit whenever I want
Haven't you heard of Orpheus?
Getting to the Underworld is pretty easy, but getting back out...
Usually requires a favor from a god
That's it for you, yeah
You're not a demigod, so you're off the hook for quests and shit
The rest of it is just ... belief or whatever, I guess
Making offerings, praying to your patron god
Apollo's here if you want to give it a shot
( ha. a shot. see what she did there. )
I'm kidding btw, Apollo is insufferable
And I'm allowed to say that because I'm related to him
You strike me as more of a Heracles kind of guy, anyway
God of strength and bravery, divine protector of mankind